Thursday, 18 February 2010

Some river decisions

Here are some hands over the last few days facing a river decision:

This is against a player that I don't know at all. I assume he's a reg but I'd never played with him before and this was his 2nd orbit I think. I think it's a pretty standard triple barrel for value, then when he raises me on the river it's less than a min raise. What range do you think he has here, and is it a call or a fold?

This guy's a reg that's definitely on the looser side. I only had around 40 hands on him at this point, but he's playing around 35/29. I don't have any reads on him though yet. I assume he defends my 2.5x btn open fairly wide out of the bb. Again, I think this is fairly standard to the river. What do we do to his pot shove?

Here I defend preflop as this guy had 3-bet a lot over 30 hands on another table. This was his first orbit against my btn from the sb. Once again I think it's fairly standard to the river, and call or fold there?

5 comments:

  1. (KQ) So we only have to be good 16% but do we think he is bluffing 16%. I feel like it's possibble we are losing to a slow played set and a slowplayed straight. The slow played set is extremely unlikely and the turned set is possible, but again doesn't seem highly likely. You would think that he has to have some showdown value by the river so there is a chance he turns T9/T8/98 into a bluff or maybe his draws that he just called flop and turn now whiffed and so he is bluffing them. I'm not folding, I think this is a call.

    (AT) Idon't think this is standard at all - I don't cbet the flopand i'm pretty sure bobbo doesn't either. Wea re often slightly ahead/way behind. I'm not wanting to play a massive pot here and I hate getting check raised. Betting puts us in some horrible spots and we can get bluffed off the best hand and play massive pots with the worst hand... checking never does this. We haven't got a hand that wants to induce bluffs or face bluffs and so basically checking cuts out the move maker. Your not getting 3 streets from worse Aces anyway and you miss small value from Kh type deal that may call two. As played I fold the river and if he bluffed me fair play to him. Even KhQo got there.

    (A9) Seems like a straight forward fold. I might consider bluff raising the flop because there are a ton of turn cards that I hate, but calling is obvy fine/std. I'm almost never being a hero here.

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  2. Hand 1: Calling here for that price seeing as we know nothing about him. He could be betting a missed draw to try to bluff out your barrel range or because bluffing is fun, raising QJ, spazzing out because it's a HU pot, 0.01% misclick range? :)

    Although each of these are pretty unlikely I still think a call is good.

    Also, I don't really want to show that we can bet 3 streets and fold to a minraise on the river to the table all that much either, even if it is only a small consideration.

    Hand 2: Chris wins the day for checking back the flop comments. I was thinking initially the river is a call as his betsize polarises to floosh or bluff, now I'm not so sure. I think he could be value betting 22/88 some of the time too.

    I also feel like his betsize should be smaller if he's betting for value, but people like to bet big on the river when they have big hands regardless of our perceived range I guess.

    Actually I think there are only like 14ish XXhh hands he flats pre, discounting A/T/8 takes away a lot. So if I feel like he's going to be check/raise bluffing the flop here and following through with any frequency then I call down here. As played, I call down.

    Hand 3: I fold. I'd expect most villains to shut down turn here as the board is pretty good for your perceived range. With zero history between me and villain I raise the flop here too.

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  3. Hand 1, shrug, big fold territory I think when he can't percieve any FE with these stacks. I say this, but then early on I'm sure I'd look him up anyway and force him to show me 67 or 65.

    Hand 2 I call, I actually think you see A8 and A2 some of the time. I can't ever fold when there's worse possible for value.

    Hand 3: I think I'd call, especially early. SB VS btn if he's a 3bettor his range is just so wide from PF, and these FT monkeys just bet bet bet bet bet. Baz you say raise flop, are you stacking??

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  4. I do think that the AT hand is close like real close, maybe it is even a call... I just would never get there that way.

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